Discussion:
3-Cushion on 9 ft. Pool Table??
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Nixon.D
2007-09-09 15:23:06 UTC
Permalink
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I'm thinking of buying a set of those Corner/Side Inserts that (supposedly)
allow a decent game of 3-Cushion Billiards to be played on a 9 ft. GoldCrown
III.

Have you ever played using them?

Could you recommend them? I know they cannot be as good as the real thing
but I'm thinking they might be adequate as a way to get started learning the
basic moves of 3-Cushion.

Have any idea as to where I might find a set?



McDave

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Fast Larry
2007-09-09 17:02:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nixon.D
=====================================================
I'm thinking of buying a set of those Corner/Side Inserts that (supposedly)
allow a decent game of 3-Cushion Billiards to be played on a 9 ft. GoldCrown
III.
Have you ever played using them?
Could you recommend them? I know they cannot be as good as the real thing
but I'm thinking they might be adequate as a way to get started learning the
basic moves of 3-Cushion.
Have any idea as to where I might find a set?
McDave
===================================================
Billiard balls will not work as the rails are then too low, forget it,
just buy a 3-c table and be done with it. Any thing less of that will
be seriously mickey mouse.

BILLIARD SUPER STORE, lowest prices on pool tables, cues &
accessories. We will meet or beat any price on the net. You want it,
we have it or we will get it.
www.billiards-superstore.com

TALK POOL, 900 members, polite people, no flame wars or bozos.
Contests
Have recently given away free pool tables, cues and Seven thousand
dollars of
Pool cues, racks, balls and DVD's. It's now the 4th largest site in
the USA. These
Two sites, pool chat and FL POOL generate 10,000 hits a week from 37
countries.
www.poolchat.net

POOL SCHOOL. Book a lesson from a touring pro and master level
instructor. Bring in a trick shot show by a World Artistic champion.
See world class trick shots steam live. Just click the trick shot
show tab.
Natural pool, simple techniques, dramatic results. Video taped
lesson. You get what you come for or the lesson is free.
THE POWER SOURCE POOL SCHOOL "Fast Larry" Guninger. POOL LESSONS
FROM A MASTER LEVEL INSTRUCTOR AND WORLD CHAMPION. 770-381-6609, fax
770-381-1916 web site www.fastlarrypool.com

THE ENCYCLOPEDIA. The total learning center. Explore the Encyclopedia
section where there are 226 instruction articles and it's all free
access. Enough pool knowledge to fill 4 full books. Simply click the
link, hit enter, hit the tab at the far left which says Encyclopedia,
then register free and read and advance your game. Virtually every
question you can have is answered there.
www.fastlarrypool.com

TRICK SHOT SHOW. Bring Fast Larry in to perform his mind boggling 100
shots. See him perform the world famous legends show. See the
greatest trick shots made that the greatest players performed. Very
affordable rates. See the former world champion and Ripley's believe
it or not legend blow your socks off.
Email fastlarry @bellsouth.net fast larry at bell south dot net run
those two together. Also use fastlarry @gmail.com
May God bless and peace be with you. May there now be peace between
us. If you are a real pool player, then fast truly loves you. May
the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall.
VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. "Fastus Maximus. " Latin for
"I came, I saw, I conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did
do it all and you can believe it, or not. If you don't believe it,
C'est La Vie. " Shoot straight, innovate, never give up, just run
out on the other guy then there is no way for you to lose.
THE POWER SOURCE POOL SCHOOL GOES ON THE ROAD every year and may be
coming to your home town. Check in with us to see if we can save you
a trip to Atlanta. You can pick up the current schedule at www.poolchat.net
under the forum ask fast larry. Larry's tour schedule is also posted
at www.fastlarrypool.com

THE POWER SOURCE POOL SCHOOL GOES ON THE ROAD IN 2007.

We present the 2007 pool schools where you can take your game to that
next level you have dreamed about. Come to our work shop and learn
from a former world champion and master level instructor Fast Larry
Guninger. Two days of intense all day training on the weekends
Saturday and Sunday.

The best price of any school. Only $237 a day, or $29 an hour. The
two day course is $475. No cattle car crowds where you get ignored.
We
have the lowest amount of students per instructor of any school.
March 10-12 Philadelphia, Pa
April 14-15 Atlanta, Ga
May 5-6 Washington D.C.
May 26-27 St Pete, Fla
June 16-20 & 24-25 Las Vegas, Nevada
July 7-8 Orlando, Fla
August 13-18 Denver, Colo
August 19-31 San Diego, Calif
Sept 17-30 Miami, Florida
You can have the pool school come to your home room by simply getting
your entire league team to buy in for the 2 day course or get others
in
your league or school to take part. You will have to get 5 players
who will put up small advance good faith deposits and then no matter
where you live, Oregon or Maine, we show up. You can now book the
pool
school any time between January and July 2007. If you bring in five to
the school then your lesson is free and you are the 6th student at no
charge.
The pool schools have sold out for the last three years they have
been
offered. As the number of students allowed is very small these slots
sell out very fast. Snooze and you lose. You can reserve your spot
today with only an advance deposit of $50 which is totally refunded
if
you cancel out within 2 weeks of the school date.
For more details or to sign up and reserve your spot email to:
***@bellsouth.net
Flenterprises @bellsouth.net run those two together
You may call 770-381-6609 to discuss it as well.
Nixon.D
2007-09-09 22:00:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Fast Larry
Post by Nixon.D
=====================================================
I'm thinking of buying a set of those Corner/Side Inserts that (supposedly)
allow a decent game of 3-Cushion Billiards to be played on a 9 ft. GoldCrown
III.
Have you ever played using them?
Could you recommend them? I know they cannot be as good as the real thing
but I'm thinking they might be adequate as a way to get started learning the
basic moves of 3-Cushion.
Have any idea as to where I might find a set?
McDave
===================================================
Billiard balls will not work as the rails are then too low, forget it,
just buy a 3-c table and be done with it. Any thing less of that will
be seriously mickey mouse. Larry
==================

Larry;
Thanks for replying; but ---- sometimes it's evident that you don't have the
sense God gave a Doorknob! In a substitute scenario like this one would
use regular pool balls, i.e., 2 1/4 " in diameter and 6 oz. in weight.

Use your head upon occasion !

McD.DaddyTh'DaveOfMcMaryland
=======================================================================
Fast Larry
2007-09-10 03:42:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nixon.D
Post by Fast Larry
Post by Nixon.D
=====================================================
I'm thinking of buying a set of those Corner/Side Inserts that (supposedly)
allow a decent game of 3-Cushion Billiards to be played on a 9 ft. GoldCrown
III.
Have you ever played using them?
Could you recommend them? I know they cannot be as good as the real thing
but I'm thinking they might be adequate as a way to get started learning the
basic moves of 3-Cushion.
Have any idea as to where I might find a set?
McDave
===================================================
Billiard balls will not work as the rails are then too low, forget it,
just buy a 3-c table and be done with it. Any thing less of that will
be seriously mickey mouse. Larry
==================
Larry;
Thanks for replying; but ---- sometimes it's evident that you don't have the
sense God gave a Doorknob! In a substitute scenario like this one would
use regular pool balls, i.e., 2 1/4 " in diameter and 6 oz. in weight.
Use your head upon occasion !
McD.DaddyTh'DaveOfMcMaryland
=======================================================================
Ding dong, where are you going to get a white with a black dot, or a
solid red with no number nit com poop. Plus, playing with smaller
balls, different cloth, different rails, its not even the same game
shit fo brains. Oh vey, RSB, real stupid bastards. You guys are
dumber than fuckin moon rocks.

Buy a fuckin 3-c table ass hole
Fast Larry
2007-09-10 13:33:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nixon.D
Post by Fast Larry
Post by Nixon.D
=====================================================
I'm thinking of buying a set of those Corner/Side Inserts that (supposedly)
allow a decent game of 3-Cushion Billiards to be played on a 9 ft. GoldCrown
III.
Have you ever played using them?
Could you recommend them? I know they cannot be as good as the real thing
but I'm thinking they might be adequate as a way to get started learning the
basic moves of 3-Cushion.
Have any idea as to where I might find a set?
McDave
===================================================
Billiard balls will not work as the rails are then too low, forget it,
just buy a 3-c table and be done with it. Any thing less of that will
be seriously mickey mouse. Larry
==================
Larry;
Thanks for replying; but ---- sometimes it's evident that you don't have the
sense God gave a Doorknob! In a substitute scenario like this one would
use regular pool balls, i.e., 2 1/4 " in diameter and 6 oz. in weight.
Use your head upon occasion !
McD.DaddyTh'DaveOfMcMaryland
=======================================================================
But ding dong, that is what I am trying to tell you, you dont have the
sense God gave Hogans fookin goat here, listen up she-yit fo brains
and learn sometin. I am trying to save you, from your self.

When the pool game was on 5x10's the rooms had 2 sets of rails, and
could change a pool table into a 3-c table just by swapping the
rails...When pool went to 9' tables that option stopped, because 3-c
must be played on a 10' table, and not 9 or 8, unless you have a gook
room with every one playing 4 ball straight rail. When you make a
point you go oooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hu da yow, ching chang.
So the table would be too short. You have to play snooker with 2 l/6"
balls, pool 2 l/4" billiards 2 3/4". Use a billiard ball on the pool
rail and it jumps, does not work, but using pool balls again changes
the game, it's no longer billiards, can't you see that. Where will
you find a solid red ball, Ok, 2 cb's and a 3, Mic key, mouse....

Then the cloth, pool cloth is too slow, you need 300, which is twice
as fast as 860, then you have to have super fast world class German
artemis intercontinental cushions, which are faster than me, and you
have to heat the slate, which increases the roll by a full 4 more
diamonds. You just can not duplicate the game, on a pool table. Give
it up was my message. Buy a 3-c table, or find one at a pool hall and
play on it.
Hu are you, Ed McCunes team captain and coach? Did you just graduate
from the Monk academy? Let me guess, Ratchet is your illegitimate
love child? You are married to Smorgie and just got back from your
honeymoon in San Francisco?

If you do want to practice billiards then run this drill which teaches
you a variety of billiard straight rail shots, 2 and 3-cushion shots
and it will help your 9 ball game.


DRILL ATTACK THE 9 FOR SHORT RACK WINS.

3 pages, CR, fast Larry Guninger, 9-10-07, all rights reserved,
published in numerous internet sites.

I teach a variety of breaks and one of them is the spin break where I
move the 9 out of the rack and consistently move it towards and
generally close to the bottom left corner as seen from the kitchen. I
make the 9 there about 1 in 10 and hang it as a duck a lot. This sets
it up for a short rack win by attacking it with the cue ball. For
years I practiced straight rail billiards just to perfect these cue
ball control techniques. Then I went into 3-cushion and if you are a
billiard player with both games and the 9 sets up as a duck in any
corner pocket, you consider this a baby billiard you expect to make
over 90% of the time. That is a huge target, the size of a bowling
ball. You can miss it short or long and still pot 9.

There is one down side to this break. If you are playing a savvy
opponent and keep leaving the 9 as a duck, he will begin to attack it
too and if you don't make a ball on the break, he can get at it
first. That is why you must perfect this break so you do make a ball
the majority of the time, even if you have to cheat on how you rack
them and there are several secrets there on how to make the one in the
side or allow the 9 to slide out. If I make a ball on the snap, have
no shot at the one, or I am hooked and can see I might give up cue
ball in hand and give him an easy billiard to win early, I will just
shoot the 9 in, spot it up and hand him the cue ball and say, run on
out if you can. I know, 80% of the time, he can't or won't.

You can find my spin break and study it at my web site www.fastlarrypool.com
In the encyclopedia section.

The problem with the spin break is you lose control of the cue ball.
You don't always get a good shot at the one or two ball, but you do
gain moving the 9 into duck position. If I am making a 2 rail shot
off the one ball up table and come down to pot the 9, game over, it
did not matter I did not pot the one ball.

This is a good method to gamble at 9 ball especially against an
inferior and dumb opponent. Run a couple of racks on him and show how
much better you are than he is and he folds up faster than a $2 blue
light special Kmart card table. You ran off your mark, chump,
sausage, not too smart. But keep whacking in the 9 ball and he will
call you lucky. He will think, he can't keep doing that. That is
what Earl said to me at the BCA show in Kcmo in 93 when I did that to
him 6 times in a row, beating him 6-0. He said, you are the luckiest
SOB I have ever seen. I said, Earl, the more I practice this, the
luckier I get.

Set the 9 as a duck in the same corner pocket each time, the toss out
about 8 balls, get too many out there you shut off ways to attack it.
Your drill is to see and envision a shot off of any ball that can
attack and pot the 9 ball. Do not shoot in rotation, shoot off any
ball and most of the time, make no attempt to even pot it, which is
not your objective, winning early is. Every time you pot an OB, toss
it back out on the table any where. If you don't have a reasonable
shot, take cue ball in hand and set one up.

The majority of players you gamble with, unless he is a roadie or semi
pro, rarely run out consistently from the 1-2 or 3 ball. Yes they
can, but statistically they may pull it off 1 or 2 times out of 10.
That means if they try, they will fail at it 80% of the time and come
up short leaving me a simple 3 ball out. So riding the 9 ball early,
off of the 1-2 or 3 to me is a free ride. So I miss, so what, where
is this chump going, no where and half the time I roll lucky and he
does not get a decent shot.

Learn to attack the 9 using force follows, force draws and 1-2 & 3
rail banks. It's a lot of fun and it improves every facet of your
overall game. I keep doing this until I knock in 15 nine balls and
many times I will knock in 4 or 5 in a row.

Do this drill every day and in a month, you will become a total 9 ball
animal. They will have to lock you in a cage at night and feed you a
stalk of bananas. You will wreck havoc with the bozos you are now
playing. They won't know what hit them.
This is how I played 9 ball when I came up in the early 60's, it was
called fast and loose. You see Fast Eddy doing this in the Hustler
movie, but Turk Baker did not like it and did a war dance on his
thumbs. The moral of that story is hustle people strange to you and
she-yit like that happens. Only gamble with people you know and can
trust to pay and not go violent. Stay away from druggies and drunks.
Do not play gang bangers, you win, they are waiting for you in the
dark parking lot with a gun to take the money back.

Some examples of the kinds of shots you want to work on to perfect.

(1) 2 or 3-cushion shots
http://cuetable.com/P/index.html

http://CueTable.com/P/?@2FKPJ3GLXT4IaMf2JANa4KBKi3LTSi4MVpS1NEji4ORWL3PMkD2eANa1eMvr3kMkD2kBTP2kMWm2kcFj4kXhU@

(2) one rail shots

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4IaEf2JQUI3KDYQ2LBWJ3MOvM4NMxM1OOpb1PJYO2eQUI2eOCr1kJYO2kPNx2kbus4kXAU@

(3) Force follow, about � full ball hit on ob, 2:00, hard, masses out
and comes back, softer you hug or snake down the rail.

http://CueTable.com/P/?@1GbIM4IaMj3JNRq4KOQs4LKmW3MJGe2NOQU1ORdR1PETn1bbIM2bNEq1kETn1kYtF1kcKm4kXIa@

(4) Draw shot

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4GUQa4IaEb4JJDf3KIhi1LIKq3MJCC2NLXX2OAIi4PSgL4bUQa1bade4kSgL4kUIk4kYvJ@

(5) Straight rail follow shot, high left.

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4FGWt4IaEY3JIkQ4KGrM1LUab2MOek1NOav2ODjH2PBAu2jDjH3jICu2kBAu2kDjS4kYGH@


Acquire the Willie Hoppe 1941 book on EBay billiards as it should be
played. He does a wonderful job in teaching you how to make these
shots and has an entire chapter on them. It is an excellent study.

For more study on the subject read: 9 BALL RIDE THE 9 BONZAI

http://www.poolchat.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3525&forum=19

And for 42 more shots to practice:

101 Shots

This is an excerpt from my new book coming out, 101 shots:

http://www.poolchat.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3392&forum=19

((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((***))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

BILLIARD SUPER STORE, lowest prices on pool tables, cues &
accessories. We will meet or beat any price on the net. You want it,
we have it or we will get it.
www.billiards-superstore.com

TALK POOL, 900 members, polite people, no flame wars or bozos.
Contests
Have recently given away free pool tables, cues and Seven thousand
dollars of
Pool cues, racks, balls and DVD's. It's now the 4th largest site in
the USA. These
Two sites, pool chat and FL POOL generate 10,000 hits a week from 37
countries.
www.poolchat.net

POOL SCHOOL. Book a lesson from a touring pro and master level
instructor. Bring in a trick shot show by a World Artistic champion.
See world class trick shots steam live. Just click the trick shot
show tab.
Natural pool, simple techniques, dramatic results. Video taped
lesson. You get what you come for or the lesson is free.
THE POWER SOURCE POOL SCHOOL "Fast Larry" Guninger. POOL LESSONS
FROM A MASTER LEVEL INSTRUCTOR AND WORLD CHAMPION. 770-381-6609, fax
770-381-1916 web site www.fastlarrypool.com

THE ENCYCLOPEDIA. The total learning center. Explore the Encyclopedia
section where there are 226 instruction articles and it's all free
access. Enough pool knowledge to fill 4 full books. Simply click the
link, hit enter, hit the tab at the far left which says Encyclopedia,
then register free and read and advance your game. Virtually every
question you can have is answered there.
www.fastlarrypool.com

TRICK SHOT SHOW. Bring Fast Larry in to perform his mind boggling 100
shots. See him perform the world famous legends show. See the
greatest trick shots made that the greatest players performed. Very
affordable rates. See the former world champion and Ripley's believe
it or not legend blow your socks off.
Email fastlarry @bellsouth.net fast larry at bell south dot net run
those two together. Also use fastlarry @gmail.com
May God bless and peace be with you. May there now be peace between
us. If you are a real pool player, then fast truly loves you. May
the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall.
VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. "Fastus Maximus. " Latin for
"I came, I saw, I conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did
do it all and you can believe it, or not. If you don't believe it,
C'est La Vie. " Shoot straight, innovate, never give up, just run
out on the other guy then there is no way for you to lose.
THE POWER SOURCE POOL SCHOOL GOES ON THE ROAD every year and may be
coming to your home town. Check in with us to see if we can save you
a trip to Atlanta. You can pick up the current schedule at www.poolchat.net
under the forum ask fast larry. Larry's tour schedule is also posted
at www.fastlarrypool.com

THE POWER SOURCE POOL SCHOOL GOES ON THE ROAD IN 2007.

We present the 2007 pool schools where you can take your game to that
next level you have dreamed about. Come to our work shop and learn
from a former world champion and master level instructor Fast Larry
Guninger. Two days of intense all day training on the weekends
Saturday and Sunday.

The best price of any school. Only $237 a day, or $29 an hour. The
two day course is $475. No cattle car crowds where you get ignored.
We
have the lowest amount of students per instructor of any school.
March 10-12 Philadelphia, Pa
April 14-15 Atlanta, Ga
May 5-6 Washington D.C.
May 26-27 St Pete, Fla
June 16-20 & 24-25 Las Vegas, Nevada
July 7-8 Orlando, Fla
August 13-18 Denver, Colo
August 19-31 San Diego, Calif
Sept 17-30 Miami, Florida
You can have the pool school come to your home room by simply getting
your entire league team to buy in for the 2 day course or get others
in
your league or school to take part. You will have to get 5 players
who will put up small advance good faith deposits and then no matter
where you live, Oregon or Maine, we show up. You can now book the
pool
school any time between January and July 2007. If you bring in five to
the school then your lesson is free and you are the 6th student at no
charge.
The pool schools have sold out for the last three years they have
been
offered. As the number of students allowed is very small these slots
sell out very fast. Snooze and you lose. You can reserve your spot
today with only an advance deposit of $50 which is totally refunded
if
you cancel out within 2 weeks of the school date.
For more details or to sign up and reserve your spot email to:
***@bellsouth.net
Flenterprises @bellsouth.net run those two together
You may call 770-381-6609 to discuss it as well.

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((***))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

WEI TABLE

http://CueTable.com/P/?@***@boogeydodoo.

You will see a long line of codes with funny numbers that make no
sense. To open the
table and see the shot place your cursor on the bottom line and left
click twice and the
shot should appear. If not try this.


Left click and blue in starting on the right side of the first line,
blue in the entire line and
drag your cursor all the way to the left until the entire line is
colored , then right click
and hit copy.

http://cuetable.com/P/index.html

Put your Cursor on 2nd shorter line in the middle and hold down ctrl
button on bottom
left side of key board and right click mouse at the same time. The
green pool table now
appears. Put your mouse cursor on the bottom rail at the side pocket,
now move it right
and there are two buttons l l/2 diamonds right of the side pocket.
When the cursor goes
over the first Green button it displays import data left click it and
ok to the next box,
the shot then displays.
Nixon.D
2007-09-10 14:51:02 UTC
Permalink
Larry;

I already knew all that back in the 60's. I've probably forgotten more
about all that stuff than you will ever know; I'm now considered to be an
Elder Statesman in the world of pool/billiards. But, it's always nice to
hear from you and hope that you are doing well. Some people actually pay
attention to your efforts at "instruction" and I'm certain that makes you
feel good. As a matter of common decency I always try to interact to your
posts in a cordial manner; as do most of the other serious players in this
newsgroup.

Stay on your meds. Don't miss any of your counseling sessions. Continue
to use these newsgroups as distractions from your problems and you'll be all
right !!!

Semper Fi !

/s/ McD.DaddyTh'DaveOfMcMaryland
=====================================================================
Post by Nixon.D
Post by Fast Larry
Post by Nixon.D
=====================================================
I'm thinking of buying a set of those Corner/Side Inserts that (supposedly)
allow a decent game of 3-Cushion Billiards to be played on a 9 ft. GoldCrown
III.
Have you ever played using them?
Could you recommend them? I know they cannot be as good as the real thing
but I'm thinking they might be adequate as a way to get started
learning
the
basic moves of 3-Cushion.
Have any idea as to where I might find a set?
McDave
===================================================
Billiard balls will not work as the rails are then too low, forget it,
just buy a 3-c table and be done with it. Any thing less of that will
be seriously mickey mouse. Larry
==================
Larry;
Thanks for replying; but ---- sometimes it's evident that you don't have the
sense God gave a Doorknob! In a substitute scenario like this one would
use regular pool balls, i.e., 2 1/4 " in diameter and 6 oz. in weight.
Use your head upon occasion !
McD.DaddyTh'DaveOfMcMaryland
=======================================================================
But ding dong, that is what I am trying to tell you, you dont have the
sense God gave Hogans fookin goat here, listen up she-yit fo brains
and learn sometin. I am trying to save you, from your self.

When the pool game was on 5x10's the rooms had 2 sets of rails, and
could change a pool table into a 3-c table just by swapping the
rails...When pool went to 9' tables that option stopped, because 3-c
must be played on a 10' table, and not 9 or 8, unless you have a gook
room with every one playing 4 ball straight rail. When you make a
point you go oooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hu da yow, ching chang.
So the table would be too short. You have to play snooker with 2 l/6"
balls, pool 2 l/4" billiards 2 3/4". Use a billiard ball on the pool
rail and it jumps, does not work, but using pool balls again changes
the game, it's no longer billiards, can't you see that. Where will
you find a solid red ball, Ok, 2 cb's and a 3, Mic key, mouse....

Then the cloth, pool cloth is too slow, you need 300, which is twice
as fast as 860, then you have to have super fast world class German
artemis intercontinental cushions, which are faster than me, and you
have to heat the slate, which increases the roll by a full 4 more
diamonds. You just can not duplicate the game, on a pool table. Give
it up was my message. Buy a 3-c table, or find one at a pool hall and
play on it.
Hu are you, Ed McCunes team captain and coach? Did you just graduate
from the Monk academy? Let me guess, Ratchet is your illegitimate
love child? You are married to Smorgie and just got back from your
honeymoon in San Francisco?

If you do want to practice billiards then run this drill which teaches
you a variety of billiard straight rail shots, 2 and 3-cushion shots
and it will help your 9 ball game.


DRILL ATTACK THE 9 FOR SHORT RACK WINS.

3 pages, CR, fast Larry Guninger, 9-10-07, all rights reserved,
published in numerous internet sites.

I teach a variety of breaks and one of them is the spin break where I
move the 9 out of the rack and consistently move it towards and
generally close to the bottom left corner as seen from the kitchen. I
make the 9 there about 1 in 10 and hang it as a duck a lot. This sets
it up for a short rack win by attacking it with the cue ball. For
years I practiced straight rail billiards just to perfect these cue
ball control techniques. Then I went into 3-cushion and if you are a
billiard player with both games and the 9 sets up as a duck in any
corner pocket, you consider this a baby billiard you expect to make
over 90% of the time. That is a huge target, the size of a bowling
ball. You can miss it short or long and still pot 9.

There is one down side to this break. If you are playing a savvy
opponent and keep leaving the 9 as a duck, he will begin to attack it
too and if you don't make a ball on the break, he can get at it
first. That is why you must perfect this break so you do make a ball
the majority of the time, even if you have to cheat on how you rack
them and there are several secrets there on how to make the one in the
side or allow the 9 to slide out. If I make a ball on the snap, have
no shot at the one, or I am hooked and can see I might give up cue
ball in hand and give him an easy billiard to win early, I will just
shoot the 9 in, spot it up and hand him the cue ball and say, run on
out if you can. I know, 80% of the time, he can't or won't.

You can find my spin break and study it at my web site www.fastlarrypool.com
In the encyclopedia section.

The problem with the spin break is you lose control of the cue ball.
You don't always get a good shot at the one or two ball, but you do
gain moving the 9 into duck position. If I am making a 2 rail shot
off the one ball up table and come down to pot the 9, game over, it
did not matter I did not pot the one ball.

This is a good method to gamble at 9 ball especially against an
inferior and dumb opponent. Run a couple of racks on him and show how
much better you are than he is and he folds up faster than a $2 blue
light special Kmart card table. You ran off your mark, chump,
sausage, not too smart. But keep whacking in the 9 ball and he will
call you lucky. He will think, he can't keep doing that. That is
what Earl said to me at the BCA show in Kcmo in 93 when I did that to
him 6 times in a row, beating him 6-0. He said, you are the luckiest
SOB I have ever seen. I said, Earl, the more I practice this, the
luckier I get.

Set the 9 as a duck in the same corner pocket each time, the toss out
about 8 balls, get too many out there you shut off ways to attack it.
Your drill is to see and envision a shot off of any ball that can
attack and pot the 9 ball. Do not shoot in rotation, shoot off any
ball and most of the time, make no attempt to even pot it, which is
not your objective, winning early is. Every time you pot an OB, toss
it back out on the table any where. If you don't have a reasonable
shot, take cue ball in hand and set one up.

The majority of players you gamble with, unless he is a roadie or semi
pro, rarely run out consistently from the 1-2 or 3 ball. Yes they
can, but statistically they may pull it off 1 or 2 times out of 10.
That means if they try, they will fail at it 80% of the time and come
up short leaving me a simple 3 ball out. So riding the 9 ball early,
off of the 1-2 or 3 to me is a free ride. So I miss, so what, where
is this chump going, no where and half the time I roll lucky and he
does not get a decent shot.

Learn to attack the 9 using force follows, force draws and 1-2 & 3
rail banks. It's a lot of fun and it improves every facet of your
overall game. I keep doing this until I knock in 15 nine balls and
many times I will knock in 4 or 5 in a row.

Do this drill every day and in a month, you will become a total 9 ball
animal. They will have to lock you in a cage at night and feed you a
stalk of bananas. You will wreck havoc with the bozos you are now
playing. They won't know what hit them.
This is how I played 9 ball when I came up in the early 60's, it was
called fast and loose. You see Fast Eddy doing this in the Hustler
movie, but Turk Baker did not like it and did a war dance on his
thumbs. The moral of that story is hustle people strange to you and
she-yit like that happens. Only gamble with people you know and can
trust to pay and not go violent. Stay away from druggies and drunks.
Do not play gang bangers, you win, they are waiting for you in the
dark parking lot with a gun to take the money back.

Some examples of the kinds of shots you want to work on to perfect.

(1) 2 or 3-cushion shots
http://cuetable.com/P/index.html

http://CueTable.com/P/?@2FKPJ3GLXT4IaMf2JANa4KBKi3LTSi4MVpS1NEji4ORWL3PMkD2eANa1eMvr3kMkD2kBTP2kMWm2kcFj4kXhU@

(2) one rail shots

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4IaEf2JQUI3KDYQ2LBWJ3MOvM4NMxM1OOpb1PJYO2eQUI2eOCr1kJYO2kPNx2kbus4kXAU@

(3) Force follow, about Ÿ full ball hit on ob, 2:00, hard, masses out
and comes back, softer you hug or snake down the rail.

http://CueTable.com/P/?@1GbIM4IaMj3JNRq4KOQs4LKmW3MJGe2NOQU1ORdR1PETn1bbIM2bNEq1kETn1kYtF1kcKm4kXIa@

(4) Draw shot

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4GUQa4IaEb4JJDf3KIhi1LIKq3MJCC2NLXX2OAIi4PSgL4bUQa1bade4kSgL4kUIk4kYvJ@

(5) Straight rail follow shot, high left.

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4FGWt4IaEY3JIkQ4KGrM1LUab2MOek1NOav2ODjH2PBAu2jDjH3jICu2kBAu2kDjS4kYGH@


Acquire the Willie Hoppe 1941 book on EBay billiards as it should be
played. He does a wonderful job in teaching you how to make these
shots and has an entire chapter on them. It is an excellent study.

For more study on the subject read: 9 BALL RIDE THE 9 BONZAI

http://www.poolchat.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3525&forum=19

And for 42 more shots to practice:

101 Shots

This is an excerpt from my new book coming out, 101 shots:

http://www.poolchat.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3392&forum=19

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WEI TABLE

http://CueTable.com/P/?@***@boogeydodoo.

You will see a long line of codes with funny numbers that make no
sense. To open the
table and see the shot place your cursor on the bottom line and left
click twice and the
shot should appear. If not try this.


Left click and blue in starting on the right side of the first line,
blue in the entire line and
drag your cursor all the way to the left until the entire line is
colored , then right click
and hit copy.

http://cuetable.com/P/index.html

Put your Cursor on 2nd shorter line in the middle and hold down ctrl
button on bottom
left side of key board and right click mouse at the same time. The
green pool table now
appears. Put your mouse cursor on the bottom rail at the side pocket,
now move it right
and there are two buttons l l/2 diamonds right of the side pocket.
When the cursor goes
over the first Green button it displays import data left click it and
ok to the next box,
the shot then displays.
Fast Larry
2007-09-10 15:35:05 UTC
Permalink
Yo dave, take yo semper fi and shove it up yo hoo rah dude, and don't
give me that load of shit what a nice guy you are, you ass hole, went
off on me first here, not me on you saying:

Larry;
Thanks for replying; but ---- sometimes it's evident that you don't
have the
sense God gave a Doorknob! In a substitute scenario like this one
would
use regular pool balls, i.e., 2 1/4 " in diameter and 6 oz. in weight.

Use your head upon occasion !

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I am trying to be polite and help you, and you insult me. If you knew
shit dude, you would know, this is stupid. If you knew shit, you would
know where the blocker corners are at. . Just dont go off on me, you
know I dont take shit from ding dongs like you.
When you teach 3,000 paid lessons as I have, then you can begin to
give me advice and instructions, so until then, up yours too. I see
you did not read a god damn thing I wrote, which means, you learned
nothing today, because you are a no it all bozo...A real RSB'er with
papers. Go back and study it, learn something new today, from a real
billiards expert, that me dude, not U.
poolguyusaone
2007-09-10 18:07:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Fast Larry
But ding dong, that is what I am trying to tell you, you dont have the
sense God gave Hogans fookin goat here, listen up she-yit fo brains
and learn sometin.
Climb out of the sewer, Grindinger. There is NO need whatever
to ream someone out like this.

It also proves you to be a horrible teacher. Great teachers - even
good teachers - NEVER berate or talk down to a student.

But what would anyone expect from a no-account loser like
Larry Grindinger?

Now get out of that sewer that you said you weren't going
back into. After all, you created that sewer.
Fast Larry
2007-09-10 19:21:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by poolguyusaone
Post by Fast Larry
But ding dong, that is what I am trying to tell you, you dont have the
sense God gave Hogans fookin goat here, listen up she-yit fo brains
and learn sometin.
Climb out of the sewer, Grindinger. There is NO need whatever
to ream someone out like this.
It also proves you to be a horrible teacher. Great teachers - even
good teachers - NEVER berate or talk down to a student.
But what would anyone expect from a no-account loser like
Larry Grindinger?
Now get out of that sewer that you said you weren't going
back into. After all, you created that sewer.
FIRST OF ALL DING DONG, HE IS NOT A STUDENT, HE IS WHAT YOU ARE, A
BOZO, A DING DONG, IF HE WAS, PAID MONEY, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SHOW
PROPER RESPECT, HE IS A DING DONG LIKE YOU, HU INSULTED ME FIRST, AND
HE GOT IT BACK. YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT, THEN SHOVE YO HEAD UP YO
ASS. HE CANT BE A STUDENT, READ WHAT HE WROTE, HE TELLS YOU, HE KNOWS
EVERYTHING, AND FORGOT MORE THAN ANY ONE ELSE KNOWS, A TRUE RSB'ER. I
SAID I WUZ NOT GOING BACK INTO THE SEWER, THAT DID NOT MEAN I AM
KISSING ASS OR TAKING SHIT OFF OF DING DONGS LIKE HIM. OR U...TU...I
AM TRYIN TO TEACH HERE, DUDE, DO I COME OUT TO THE DITCH YOU WORK IN
AND KICK THE FUCKIN SHOVEL OUT OF YOUR HANDS, SO BACK OFF, I AM WORKIN
HERE. GO BUY YOUR CREW TACOS AND CERVESA AND GET OFF MY ASS.
poolguyusaone
2007-09-10 23:57:13 UTC
Permalink
X-No-Archive: Yes
Post by Fast Larry
FIRST OF ALL DING DONG, HE IS NOT A STUDENT, HE IS WHAT YOU ARE, A
BOZO, A DING DONG, IF HE WAS, PAID MONEY, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SHOW
PROPER RESPECT,
Hmm. You sound just like fuckin whore.

You simply suck, Larry, at everything you do. I would
LOVE to get you on a pool table. I'd give you the
free-rollin' wild seven and kick you old sagging ass
back into sewer where you live. You just suck, that's
all. Nobody likes you. Least of all yourself.

And we like it like that. Makes it SO easy to make you
jump, just like a trained rat. We control you. Every move.
You can't resist. You could not live with RSB. hee hee.....
Nixon.D
2007-09-10 19:23:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by poolguyusaone
Post by Fast Larry
But ding dong, that is what I am trying to tell you, you dont have the
sense God gave Hogans fookin goat here, listen up she-yit fo brains
and learn sometin.
Climb out of the sewer, Grindinger. There is NO need whatever
to ream someone out like this.
It also proves you to be a horrible teacher. Great teachers - even
good teachers - NEVER berate or talk down to a student.
But what would anyone expect from a no-account loser like
Larry Grindinger?
Now get out of that sewer that you said you weren't going
back into. After all, you created that sewer.
====================================================================

Common decency says we must humor and try to be nice to someone like that.
He's just another head case. He deserves pity.

McDave
================================================
Fast Larry
2007-09-10 19:58:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nixon.D
Post by poolguyusaone
Post by Fast Larry
But ding dong, that is what I am trying to tell you, you dont have the
sense God gave Hogans fookin goat here, listen up she-yit fo brains
and learn sometin.
Climb out of the sewer, Grindinger. There is NO need whatever
to ream someone out like this.
It also proves you to be a horrible teacher. Great teachers - even
good teachers - NEVER berate or talk down to a student.
But what would anyone expect from a no-account loser like
Larry Grindinger?
Now get out of that sewer that you said you weren't going
back into. After all, you created that sewer.
====================================================================
Common decency says we must humor and try to be nice to someone like that.
He's just another head case. He deserves pity.
McDave
================================================
Yeah yeah, you have forgot more than I know, yeah yeah, you do deserve
my pity, yes I pity you....
Fast Larry
2007-09-10 20:08:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Fast Larry
Post by Nixon.D
Post by poolguyusaone
Post by Fast Larry
But ding dong, that is what I am trying to tell you, you dont have the
sense God gave Hogans fookin goat here, listen up she-yit fo brains
and learn sometin.
Climb out of the sewer, Grindinger. There is NO need whatever
to ream someone out like this.
It also proves you to be a horrible teacher. Great teachers - even
good teachers - NEVER berate or talk down to a student.
But what would anyone expect from a no-account loser like
Larry Grindinger?
Now get out of that sewer that you said you weren't going
back into. After all, you created that sewer.
====================================================================
Common decency says we must humor and try to be nice to someone like that.
He's just another head case. He deserves pity.
McDave
================================================
Yeah yeah, you have forgot more than I know, yeah yeah, you do deserve
my pity, yes I pity you....
You 2 ding dongs hu have been raggin my ass for a long time, Hu in da
fook have you ever taught for money?
Hu in da fook are U 2 ass holes? 2 friggen trolls just trying to
stir some shit, sitting on your wothless asses bored with nuttin to do
until your next unemployment check comes in?

As you can see, some of my students are treated quite well. They show
me respect, I show it back to them, that is how it works.

http://www.poolchat.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3623&for...
Fast Larry
2007-09-10 20:19:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Fast Larry
Post by Nixon.D
Post by poolguyusaone
Post by Fast Larry
But ding dong, that is what I am trying to tell you, you dont have the
sense God gave Hogans fookin goat here, listen up she-yit fo brains
and learn sometin.
Climb out of the sewer, Grindinger. There is NO need whatever
to ream someone out like this.
It also proves you to be a horrible teacher. Great teachers - even
good teachers - NEVER berate or talk down to a student.
But what would anyone expect from a no-account loser like
Larry Grindinger?
Now get out of that sewer that you said you weren't going
back into. After all, you created that sewer.
====================================================================
Common decency says we must humor and try to be nice to someone like that.
He's just another head case. He deserves pity.
McDave
================================================
Yeah yeah, you have forgot more than I know, yeah yeah, you do deserve
my pity, yes I pity you....
You 2 ding dongs hu have been raggin my ass for a long time, Hu in da
fook have you ever taught for money?
Hu in da fook are U 2 ass holes? 2 friggen trolls just trying to
stir some shit, sitting on your wothless asses bored with nuttin to
do
until your next unemployment check comes in?
As you can see, some of my students are treated quite well. They
show
me respect, I show it back to them, that is how it works.
http://www.poolchat.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3623&for...
Fast Larry
2007-09-10 20:21:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Fast Larry
Post by Nixon.D
Post by poolguyusaone
Post by Fast Larry
But ding dong, that is what I am trying to tell you, you dont have the
sense God gave Hogans fookin goat here, listen up she-yit fo brains
and learn sometin.
Climb out of the sewer, Grindinger. There is NO need whatever
to ream someone out like this.
It also proves you to be a horrible teacher. Great teachers - even
good teachers - NEVER berate or talk down to a student.
But what would anyone expect from a no-account loser like
Larry Grindinger?
Now get out of that sewer that you said you weren't going
back into. After all, you created that sewer.
====================================================================
Common decency says we must humor and try to be nice to someone like that.
He's just another head case. He deserves pity.
McDave
================================================
Yeah yeah, you have forgot more than I know, yeah yeah, you do deserve
my pity, yes I pity you....
You 2 ding dongs hu have been raggin my ass for a long time, Hu in da
fook have you ever taught for money?
Hu in da fook are U 2 ass holes? 2 friggen trolls just trying to
stir some shit, sitting on your wothless asses bored with nuttin to
do
until your next unemployment check comes in?
As you can see, some of my students are treated quite well. They
show
me respect, I show it back to them, that is how it works.
http://www.poolchat.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3623&forum=39
Fast Larry
2007-09-10 21:17:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Fast Larry
Post by Fast Larry
Post by Nixon.D
Post by poolguyusaone
Post by Fast Larry
But ding dong, that is what I am trying to tell you, you dont have the
sense God gave Hogans fookin goat here, listen up she-yit fo brains
and learn sometin.
Climb out of the sewer, Grindinger. There is NO need whatever
to ream someone out like this.
It also proves you to be a horrible teacher. Great teachers - even
good teachers - NEVER berate or talk down to a student.
But what would anyone expect from a no-account loser like
Larry Grindinger?
Now get out of that sewer that you said you weren't going
back into. After all, you created that sewer.
====================================================================
Common decency says we must humor and try to be nice to someone like that.
He's just another head case. He deserves pity.
McDave
================================================
Yeah yeah, you have forgot more than I know, yeah yeah, you do deserve
my pity, yes I pity you....
You 2 ding dongs hu have been raggin my ass for a long time, Hu in da
fook have you ever taught for money?
Hu in da fook are U 2 ass holes? 2 friggen trolls just trying to
stir some shit, sitting on your wothless asses bored with nuttin to
do
until your next unemployment check comes in?
As you can see, some of my students are treated quite well. They
show
me respect, I show it back to them, that is how it works.http://www.poolchat.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3623&for...
First off 3-c is deader than Ed McCunes brain in he USA. About the
only one playing it any more are the gooks Hu have their own joints
where nobody speakie English, every one chain smokes camels with no
filters and every one is clucking like a bunch of chickens with their
heads chopped off. They buy 8' pool tables and slap billiard rails on
them, play on house cloth and love slow short tables for their 4 ball
straight rail games.

3-c has been taken over by the Koreans, they run it now. You only see
it in the port cities now, NYC, Miami, SF, LA, places lots of
immigrants are at. In the midwest it's long gone. As there is no
market for a virtually dead game, there is no market to convert pool
tables to play it.

There was plugs made to stop up the holes on pool tables, the patent
Filing Date: was
06/30/1975 Publication Date:03/08/1977. They went on the market and
bombed and that was 30 years ago when 3-c still has some following in
the USA. They were like pocket devices that tightened the pocket,
they sort of worked, both were mickey mouse, nobody liked them, nobody
bought them, titanic sinks, end of story.

If you want to play 3-c, go buy a Verhoven.

www.fastlarrypool.com
Fast Larry
2007-09-11 14:58:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nixon.D
Post by poolguyusaone
Post by Fast Larry
But ding dong, that is what I am trying to tell you, you dont have the
sense God gave Hogans fookin goat here, listen up she-yit fo brains
and learn sometin.
Climb out of the sewer, Grindinger. There is NO need whatever
to ream someone out like this.
It also proves you to be a horrible teacher. Great teachers - even
good teachers - NEVER berate or talk down to a student.
But what would anyone expect from a no-account loser like
Larry Grindinger?
Now get out of that sewer that you said you weren't going
back into. After all, you created that sewer.
====================================================================
Common decency says we must humor and try to be nice to someone like that.
He's just another head case. He deserves pity.
McDave
================================================
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